Griftlands is Klei’s entry into the roguelike deckbuilder genre. And in typical Klei fashion, it overcomplicates everything.
In some circumstances, overcomplication can be good news. It represents depth and complex systems and a high skill ceiling. Oxygen Not Included is a gem of a colony sim, and Don’t Starve is one of those genre classics that seems simple at first, but quickly demonstrates how deep the rabbit hole goes.
So what’s the issue with Griftlands? The complication is just time-consuming.
One of the central hooks is that Griftlands is a roguelike deckbuilding RPG. The three characters you can pick from each have an elaborate backstory and encounter numerous choices throughout the game. And speaking of backstory, the game’s lore is extremely elaborate and interesting. It takes place on a remote, swamp-like planet populated by the descendants of a spacefaring civilization that… stopped sparefaring. Most of the citizens worship Hesh, an inscrutable Cthulhu-esque monster in the deep ocean. So you have mechs, bioweapons, ancient tech, and post-apoc Thunderdome elements in this gumbo soup of a setting. It’s pretty cool.
Less cool is how all these RPG/Visual Novel elements interact with, you know, a roguelike deckbuilder. Like how my first playthrough with the first character ended when I died to the final boss after 7 hours, 15 minutes. While you can make different choices the next time around, in reality they are more of an A/B route sort of thing. Do you side with the authorities or the rebels? Do you double-cross the one dude or not? The final boss is always the final boss. My second playthrough was a success after five hours. And that was with me skipping some of the dialog I had already heard before.
Even ignoring the story aspects, the deckbuilding side itself is complicated.
You start off with two decks, completely independent of one another: Battle and Negotiation. Whenever you come across an encounter, you often have the choice of determining whether to use one or the other. Generally speaking, Negotiation avoids “battle” encounters entirely, but sometimes they are used to weaken a particularly stubborn foe before fisticuffs. Negotiation is an entirely different battle system with different mechanics and even different “HP”. Additionally, you can “lose” in a Negotiation without losing the game, although that typically results in you no longer being able to do any more Negotiations for the rest of the in-game day.
On top of this, all cards have XP meters that increase as you play them. Once filled, the card gets one of two upgrades to choose from. The generic cards have a dozen or so potential options, but the main ones you get from shops or win from battle will just have the two options. This XP element will typically encourage you to stall battles out so you can level-up your cards, but this can only be done for X number of rounds before your character becomes exhausted. Nevertheless, the XP mechanic complicates things quite a bit considering the final encounter for each character is always a Battle, so choosing Negotiate all the time will lead to inevitable failure.
On the Battle side of things, everything is more straight-forward. Ish. You face off versus one or more enemies like in Slay the Spire. You might get some help though in the form of a pet, hired goons, NPC helpers, or NPCs summoned from cards in your deck. Each of the three main characters have their own special mechanics. For example, one gets Charges that can be expended to boost cards, another takes self-damage that turns into end-of-turn self-healing, and so on. You can add cards to your deck after successful encounters or buy them from shops. Grafts are permanent items you, well, graft into your skull that act as passive abilities. And so on and so forth.
Oh, I forgot to mention about relationships. During Battles, enemy character have X amount of HP, and then a slightly higher threshold for Panic. For example, someone may have 80 HP but Panic once they get to 20 HP. Cause all the enemies to Panic and the encounter ends with you having the choice as accept their surrender or execute them. Executing characters grants you a special card, but will also likely cause one of their friends to hate you. This hate manifests as a Social Bane, which is just a persistent debuff that exists as long as they hate you. Some are whatever, but others increase the costs of all vendors, or cause you to lose money every time you sleep, and other nastiness. You can try and kill the person who hates you to erase the Social Bane, but unless you properly provoke them into a duel, you just continue the cycle of hatred.
On the flip side, Social Boons also exist. Most of the time they come from doing quests for people, but sometimes you can just straight-up throw enough money at someone to get them to like you. Just like in real life!
Are you feeling the overcomplicated-ness of this game yet?
Overall the game is fun, but honestly it is in spite of all of these systems. A particularly long Slay the Spire run takes me maybe 2-3 hours max. Doubling that for Griftlands does not double my fun. Indeed, the longer things go on, the more disappointed I become if I don’t succeed. The saving grace of most roguelikes is winning or losing quick enough that you can jump back on the horse without questioning your life choices. With Griftlands, you have plenty of opportunity to ask questions.
As a final note, there is a Brawl mode which eliminates all the plot and just lets you play battles in sequence. I just completed my first one before writing this… after 3 hours and 20 minutes. That is one long-ass roguelike experience.
Posted on June 22, 2021, in Impressions and tagged Deck Building, Griftlands, Klei, Roguelike, What Am I Doing With My Life?. Bookmark the permalink. 6 Comments.
As much as I liked Oxygen not included, the only way I found it playable was by modding, the one increasing capacity of anything in particular. Don’t Starve I just find it aggravating, but maybe I should have looked if any mod to make it actually fun existed.
To me it feels like complication added just for the sake of it, with the idea that “complicated” = “hard”, which I find completely false. Go is way less complicated than any of their games, and it’s way harder. Add that it plays like Slay the Spire (which I find very mediocre) and you saved me a purchase I would have certainly regretted :)
As someone who loves Slay the Spire, I kinda wish someone else saved me the purchase. So, you’re welcome.
I enjoyed Don’t Starve quite a bit, but looking at Steam, that was back in… 2013. There have been several DLCs and other “enhancements” since then, and I have not bothered booting it back up. It’s entirely possible that whatever the game is nowadays is something that I would no longer enjoy. I certainly hated the Fire Hounds or whatever, and I’m vaguely aware that Klei has added multiple other mostly-unavoidable base-stomping bosses to the roster in the meantime. Combat was absolutely the weakest part of that game, possibly on purpose.
Have you looked into Wildermyth? Really enjoying it, and it has rogue-like elements (but combat is TBS rather than deck-building).
I had never even heard of Wildermyth, so thanks for that. Added to Wishlist. Looks like a roguelike Card Hunter? Or perhaps a papercraft version of Trials of Fire?
Its more core RPG than even Trails of Fire, since that is still heavy on deckbuilding when it comes to combat, but yea a bit closer (I’m also enjoying it 10x more than ToF). I think the best description I saw is its like a TBS-focused boardgame using all of the procedural power that comes with it being a PC game. Normally I’d dislike a heavy lean towards stories in such a game, but here it really does work.
I played from Alpha and since then they added a lot of long-term grinding mechanics/unlocks in addition to runs taking 4+ hours.